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Lee Trundle
4:00 Mon Jun 26
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*dog
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Lee Trundle
3:59 Mon Jun 26
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I suppose how she got into the river will be one of life's unexplained mysteries.
I'm still not buying that the dig pushed her in.
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Nurse Ratched
3:41 Mon Jun 26
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Inquest reporting today. No signs of a struggle or assault. More information available about the conditions in the river on the day. Very, very cold and faster than usual current. It's interesting to hear experts explain how quickly someone can drown in circumstances like that. I think if information about the water conditions were available at the time, more people would have accepted she drowned and there would have been less of a frenzy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/26/nicola-bulley-inquest-latest-verdict-lancashire-police/
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Roby
6:17 Tue Feb 21
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Unless she’s left a suicide note it’d be tricky to know if she drowned via suicide or had fallen in and it was an accident.
The coroner will probably give it an open verdict.
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Manuel
4:23 Tue Feb 21
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Not getting into the conspiracy shit as it's fucking dull and too cliched for me, BUT will they know after the autopsy if she drowned, was murdered, or committed suicide, anyone know?
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swindon hammer
3:49 Tue Feb 21
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Just read a story today about a car that has been discovered in a River in Alabama and it had the remains and ID of a student that had disappeared 47 years ago!
His parents have sadly already passed away so would never have got any sort of closure of finding this out.
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Side of Ham
3:39 Tue Feb 21
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Everyone is assuming she wanted to be found is all......
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bruuuno
3:34 Tue Feb 21
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I like it ham, the ‘swamp thing’ theory
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Side of Ham
3:25 Tue Feb 21
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What if she climbed into the water herself and hid from view until it was clear for her to submerge herself to take her own life, what if she was aware of the search and decided to keep to the sides in order to do this?
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Crassus
2:41 Tue Feb 21
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FC - absolutely correct, on every level
The flow of the river creates natural shallows/depths and collection points
Reeds grow where they grow for a reason, shallower sediment gathers there, along with other 'stuff'
Comma, and no, note that plod initially said that a formal identification could take two weeks
Fair to say they may have been referring to the autopsy result, a grisly business no doubt but if conclusive, could close a number of theoretical events
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2:23 Tue Feb 21
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Has any information been released about the results of an autopsy?
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Far Cough
2:20 Tue Feb 21
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What a load of bollocks, if I was a diver, I don't care what I was told, the first place I'd check would be the reeds
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madeeasy
2:16 Tue Feb 21
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How long till we see an arrest...
I reckon the old man before the weekend is out
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arsegrapes
2:11 Tue Feb 21
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Ok the divers were only told to check the riverbed so all plod had to do was walk a mile down the riverbank to have a look and in the reeds and they would have found her, instead of a member of the public. What were all them old bill doing sitting in their minibuses outside Mcd's?
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COOL HAND LUKE
1:59 Tue Feb 21
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Crassus 10:01 Mon Feb 20
Incidentally, your post as above was a very clean and clear explanation of exactly how I see it, and I concur.
The only place we differ is that, despite noting that she almost certainly took the trouble to walk down past the weir, to the deeper, tidal water, you still don't see it as a potential suicide. I'm afraid I do... she had family issues, health issues, a very recent police/mental health home visit, almost certainly pressures on her financial job as a result of her alcohol habit, and no end in sight with the HRT problems etc. In addition, it has been noted elsewhere that her husband's business had problems and had not filed for the most recent tax year, either. That's a pretty horrendous faceful to cope with.
To just say, as some on here are doing, that "The police got it right, she fell in the water" is nothing short of deliberately obtuse.
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COOL HAND LUKE
1:38 Tue Feb 21
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Crassus 10.01
**...but maintain if she went in at that bench she would have been found there, that day**
Exactly that, Crassus, I agree 100% with that comment. So with that in mind, let's have a closer look at it:
The phone, harness and dog were all found within MINUTES of her 'going missing'. The dog was bone dry, it had not been in the water, and it was actually flitting between the bench and the 'flip/flap' exit gate...
Think about that... the water all along that stretch is very shallow and non-tidal - if she 'fell in' (or whatever) just by the bench, and within MINUTES two different people arrived and saw the phone etc, they would look around. They would look out across the field, they would walk to the gate and check down the path, they would look in the water... it's an instinctive thing, they would have looked about them, expecting her to be in the vicinity.
Okay, so now you have very shallow, still water, and two people arriving there within minutes... whatever people are ultimately prepared to swallow as 'fact', how far would she have moved, if at all, (in that still, shallow water) in two minutes? 5 minutes? Okay, 10 minutes? And then barely two hours later, the police were all over the whole area like a rash - how far would she have moved by then? Remember, if she fell in there and drowned then, as Peter Faulding correctly stated, she would simply sink, in very shallow water, in full view of the bench area, which was under scrutiny twice within a few minutes.
And why all this fuss for her when so many others go missing? The answer to that probably lies in the police / mental health visit to her home on the evening of 10th January i.e. the police quickly realised that her 'disappearance' could be a potential suicide attempt linked in part to what happened that evening.
As you have surmised. the Time Logic says she never went in the water just there. Once you accept that, it becomes clear that (for whatever reason) she must have moved on somewhere further along, intentionally leaving her dog and phone behind. And once you accept that, then Occam's Razor points the way to the rest of the story...
It was interesting how, under media challenge, the police narrative changed from "she fell into the water by the bench" to "our belief is still that she went into / has been in the water." That's a very different, generic surmisal to their initial position, because no doubt by now they had ALL the personal background history and had (albeit unannounced) revised their deductions on what had actually occurred. It could also explain the real reason why they were keen to throw that information into the public mix, as it helped to temper (and minimise) the events of Jan 10th. AKA arse covering...
The likely truth about this death is highly unpalatable for all involved, and the 'enquiry' will, one suspects, sweep it all quietly away. If that provides any sort of solace for those poor little girls, maybe that's no bad thing, but it doesn't mean the chosen narrative will necessarily be even close to the truth.
RIP Nicola.
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Willtell
1:36 Tue Feb 21
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Crassus
With respect I didn't get it wrong!
The police were accused of incompetence because they treated it as a tragic accident. Social media had a hissy fit as to why they weren't treating it as a possible crime but then her body was found in the river suggesting the police were right after all....
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Northern Sold
1:35 Tue Feb 21
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bruuuno 1:15 Tue Feb 21
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Pretty much willtell. It seems the old bill just did their jobs meanwhile getting ripped apart by the hysterical mob
Plenty with pitchforks on here... apparently anyone with shifty eyes dun' it... that and the impossible to drown in water brigade... gotta love 'em...
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Crassus
1:16 Tue Feb 21
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Willtell
'Am I right that the police actually got it sussed right in the first place'
No you are wrong as it happens, at their best it remains unproven but either way their conduct and prosecution of the enquiry is to be the subject of independent review
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bruuuno
1:15 Tue Feb 21
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Pretty much willtell. It seems the old bill just did their jobs meanwhile getting ripped apart by the hysterical mob
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Willtell
1:06 Tue Feb 21
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It's funny from afar what social media has done to UK socially. These days everyone has an opinion and thinks they know better than experts.
Am I right that the police actually got it sussed right in the first place and the rest of the hoo-hah was about finding someone to blame after all the expert opinions got read aloud by news programmes?
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